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	<title>Comments on: [герметичность] о понимании и сострадании</title>
	<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/</link>
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		<title>By: cmm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/#comment-9978</link>
		<dc:creator>cmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>а к параллелям я и вовсе неровно дышу.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>а к параллелям я и вовсе неровно дышу.</p>
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		<title>By: omerm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/#comment-9977</link>
		<dc:creator>omerm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Месье эмоционален к аналогиям?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Месье эмоционален к аналогиям?</p>
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		<title>By: cmm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/#comment-9976</link>
		<dc:creator>cmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ну я не то чтобы америку тут открывал, да.
меня конкретно эта вот неотвратимая герметичность заинтересовала.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ну я не то чтобы америку тут открывал, да.<br />
меня конкретно эта вот неотвратимая герметичность заинтересовала.</p>
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		<title>By: cmm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/#comment-9974</link>
		<dc:creator>cmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; &lt;i&gt;how do you deal with the case you [by definition] don&apos;t have something you already understand - for example in the case of a young child learning to read?&lt;/i&gt;

he can distinguish letters from one another, then he attaches names and sounds to them, then he discovers that by piecing the sounds together he gets words he already knows.
I&apos;m not at all suggesting that you never learn anything new, just that you can&apos;t learn anything that is *all* new; and the "bridging" stuff has to be *really* well-understood &#8212; it has to be ingrained, and this engages emotions, not just logic.

&gt; &lt;i&gt;And, also, how does the concept of "axiom" fit in your theory?&lt;/i&gt;

snugly enough, I&apos;d say. :)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> <i>how do you deal with the case you [by definition] don&apos;t have something you already understand - for example in the case of a young child learning to read?</i></p>
<p>he can distinguish letters from one another, then he attaches names and sounds to them, then he discovers that by piecing the sounds together he gets words he already knows.<br />
I&apos;m not at all suggesting that you never learn anything new, just that you can&apos;t learn anything that is *all* new; and the &#8220;bridging&#8221; stuff has to be *really* well-understood &mdash; it has to be ingrained, and this engages emotions, not just logic.</p>
<p>> <i>And, also, how does the concept of &#8220;axiom&#8221; fit in your theory?</i></p>
<p>snugly enough, I&apos;d say. :)</p>
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		<title>By: dimrub</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/#comment-9975</link>
		<dc:creator>dimrub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(принюхивается) Семиотикой пахнет. Что-то у Лотмана очень похожее было. Про то, что общение между двумя человеками возможно только на грани между известным обоим (а, значит, в передаче не нуждающемся) и известном только одному (а, значит, не могущим быть понятым вторым).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(принюхивается) Семиотикой пахнет. Что-то у Лотмана очень похожее было. Про то, что общение между двумя человеками возможно только на грани между известным обоим (а, значит, в передаче не нуждающемся) и известном только одному (а, значит, не могущим быть понятым вторым).</p>
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		<title>By: _rinka_</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kakpryg.net/cmm/2004/12/01/%d0%b3%d0%b5%d1%80%d0%bc%d0%b5%d1%82%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%bd%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%8c-%d0%be-%d0%bf%d0%be%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%bc%d0%b0%d0%bd%d0%b8%d0%b8-%d0%b8-%d1%81%d0%be%d1%81%d1%82%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%b4%d0%b0/#comment-9973</link>
		<dc:creator>_rinka_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re- я вообще считаю, что понимание чего-то возможно только по аналогии с чем-то, что уже понятно.

while that&apos;s generally correct, how do you deal with the case you [by definition] don&apos;t have something you already understand - for example in the case of a young child learning to read?
[please forgive my selfish interest:-)]

And, also, how does the concept of "axiom" fit in your theory?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re- я вообще считаю, что понимание чего-то возможно только по аналогии с чем-то, что уже понятно.</p>
<p>while that&apos;s generally correct, how do you deal with the case you [by definition] don&apos;t have something you already understand - for example in the case of a young child learning to read?<br />
[please forgive my selfish interest:-)]</p>
<p>And, also, how does the concept of &#8220;axiom&#8221; fit in your theory?</p>
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